Zoom is not as good as a Prime - Lens Rental

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by fractal, Feb 10, 2017.

  1. fractal

    fractal TalkEmount Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jun 17, 2014
    Southeastern PA
    Chris
  2. Kiwi Paul

    Kiwi Paul TalkEmount Top Veteran Subscribing Member

    788
    Feb 14, 2016
    Aberdeen, Scotland
    Paul
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. Alex66

    Alex66 TalkEmount Regular

    89
    Dec 23, 2014
    I looked through that and thought the most interesting thing about it was the underlying but it does not really matter if lens x works for you its al good and the measurements count for nothing in the general scheme of things. I would say that unless a lens is a complete mess and has real issues along as it measures reasonably by modern standards it is going to be good enough, just we may find that one lens gives us something that we find special and that is what we are drawn to. I always thought it would be easier to design a great prime over a zoom as it is in itself a far far simpler piece of design, but I would bet that most people who use a prime or zoom out of choice do so as that is what works best for them and many will just get the best they can afford for whatever body they use.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. addieleman

    addieleman Passionate amateur Subscribing Member

    Nov 13, 2012
    Netherlands
    Ad Dieleman
    The article is an perfect illustration of why Einstein said: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  5. firemist

    firemist TalkEmount Regular

    167
    Dec 4, 2015
    Zooms are for tourists. I thought everybody already knew that ;~/
     
    • Funny Funny x 5
    • Like Like x 2
  6. Nino Xerri

    Nino Xerri TalkEmount Veteran

    244
    Jun 13, 2016
    Nino Xerri
    Until Camera manufacturers find a why to reduce the possibility of dust on sensors, zooms will always have a place in a photographers bag. Because no matter how hard you try and how careful you are, changing primes from one to another will always eventually attract dust.
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2017
  7. unlo

    unlo Sony ******

    Jan 19, 2014
    Ohio
    Matt
    this: "Unless the rating is 42. Then it would have a meaning."
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. Deadbear77

    Deadbear77 TalkEmount Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Sep 14, 2012
    Northeast Ohio
    Kevin
    I never use a zoom. My sensor is dusty all the time, I mostly shoot f2 and larger so I'm ok most of the time. I do rocket blow it a lot.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. Golfhacker27

    Golfhacker27 TalkEmount Regular

    48
    May 15, 2016
    I wonder what the sales figures (ratios) are for zooms vs. primes? (Does Lens Rentals give any idea of the ratio of rentals for each time?)

    Given that there are approximately equal numbers of both in any lens manufacturers range (both body makers and 3rd party lens companies such as Sigma), we can assume that a sufficient number of buyers are satisfied with the quality-convenience trade off that zooms offer. (And the cost of buying primes to cover a zoom range)

    I would like to use primes, but don't own a single one. My zooms covering 17-300mm (FF) suit my photography habit (mobile, city and nature hiking, cheapskate).
     
    • Like Like x 1
  10. Nino Xerri

    Nino Xerri TalkEmount Veteran

    244
    Jun 13, 2016
    Nino Xerri
    Golfkacker : my range is 11-200mm with two primes : Sigma 30mm f2.8 and a Nikon 50mm f1.8. I have recently purchased an a7ll and will probably use the Nikon all be it with an adaptor and see what results I will be getting. I realise that the Nikon is not a Full Frame Lens and have adjusted the body accordingly. Test results will determine my future purchases.
     
  11. roundball

    roundball TalkEmount Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Oct 8, 2013
    USA
    I should probably be embarrassed at how many manual Canon lenses I've accumulated...both from film days back in the 80's, then some adds over the past 3-4 years. A lot are primes, but have to say that a couple of my most used lenses are Canon 24-35/3.5 and 35-105/3.5 zooms for their utility.

    For example, yesterday I went back to a rough, dusty, outdoors environment around a rail yard to get some more shots of an old steam locomotive coming through the woods...put the 35-105/3.5 on the NEX7 and that was it. I did carry a Canon 20mm/2.8 along just in case but never used it.
     
  12. Kiwi Paul

    Kiwi Paul TalkEmount Top Veteran Subscribing Member

    788
    Feb 14, 2016
    Aberdeen, Scotland
    Paul
    I'm fortunate to have a set of primes and zooms, I find I use whatever my mood takes me.
    Zooms are more convenient and allow precise compositions, primes on the other hand are generally smaller and lighter and require a different approach as you need to decide which lens will be best for a particular shot and then to some degree make the shot fit the lens, moving yourself as much as practical to get the composition.
    I enjoy using both, I've found primes require more thought and contemplation and the results can be more satisfying.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  13. Tipton

    Tipton TalkEmount Veteran

    226
    Jan 30, 2016
    Rae Leggett
    I think I've seen that same article, under different bylines, three times in the last year. There are people that test lenses, and there are photographers.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  14. WNG

    WNG TalkEmount Hall of Famer

    Aug 12, 2014
    Arrid Zone-A, USA
    Will
    I'm a prime shooter. I prefer their results, which to my eye are more satisfying and perceived to be sharper. That doesn't mean I don't own zooms. They have their purpose. A good lens is one that gets used and the photographer is happy with and most comfortable using.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  15. Mus Aziz

    Mus Aziz TalkEmount All-Pro

    Sep 3, 2015
    Mus
    I shoot mostly primes (MF) but use the FE16-35 for landscape work, but would love to have this replaced by 15mm, 20mm and 24mm primes (MF) when I can afford them.

    Two "buts" in a sentence! o_O
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  16. WoodWorks

    WoodWorks Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Dec 12, 2012
    Ashland, OR, USA
    David
    I enjoy shooting with primes. But I'm not getting rid of my zooms anytime soon.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  17. AlwaysOnAuto

    AlwaysOnAuto TalkEmount All-Pro

    Feb 17, 2015
    Back when I stepped up from my Nikon 995 to a D80, I ordered the body along with an 18-200 zoom lens. It was like being set free as I finally had ONE lens that covered such a vast array of focal lengths I thought I'd never need any other lens. I had a few Nikon primes from my film Nikons, but they wouldn't be auto focusing or stabilized and I'd have to learn how to get the proper exposure settings too. All I really wanted to do was shoot pictures, so, I never put them on the camera. The 18-200 was/is a great lens as it allows me to get right up next to a car and still get the whole car into the frame, at least for the most part.
    Then life happened and I find myself discovering that I've got a couple of primes hidden in the closet attached to cameras people covet. Long story short, Sony has come to my rescue with the Nex-7 and A7ii. I can shoot primes, zooms and not have to worry about shaking and can figure out the exposure easily and life is good.
    Looking back now, that 18-200 was 'good enough', and still is for the most part. But the primes really do 'make' the photo just that little bit sharper, for the most part. And they're a lot easier to carry too!
     
    • Like Like x 3
  18. johnson4096

    johnson4096 TalkEmount Regular

    142
    Dec 23, 2016
    Dan Johnson
    That's been common knowledge for as long as I can remember. One must buy a high-end zoom to approach the sharpness of most primes and even then it's not guaranteed. Still, I am very happy with the performance of my two Sony zooms and do not expect them to be as good as my Sigma Art prime. That said, they are more than good enough for most subjects and certainly give me nothing to bitch about.

    I have used some zooms that were crap, the worst being the old Canon EF-S 18-55 kit lens and the EF 75-300. Luckily for Canon buyers, they have recently greatly improved the former. The EF is a lens to own when you can't afford the much better 55-250 and it is better than nothing. Some of the basic kit lenses Canon sold with their EOS film cameras are even worse, in my experience. I have not had that experience with any Sony zooms but when I need top quality I always reach for my Sigma 30mm, which is outstanding for the price and sharper than one of Dracula's fangs.

    Taken with NEX-6 and Sigma 30mm f2.8 DN Art. That's a dead Hydrangea.

    DSC06599_DxO.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2017
    • Like Like x 4
    • Winner Winner x 1
  19. Mus Aziz

    Mus Aziz TalkEmount All-Pro

    Sep 3, 2015
    Mus
    That's sharp enough for me Dan. Nice colours too :2thumbs:

    I'm contemplating on a Sigma Art 35 + MC-11.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. johnson4096

    johnson4096 TalkEmount Regular

    142
    Dec 23, 2016
    Dan Johnson
    It's not as sharp as the original due to the downsizing on this forum.

    That Sigma is probably the best lens I've ever bought for $200 and is now the best lens I own for the NEX. My other Sony has a fixed Zeiss T* zoom and it's impressive but I suppose it's easier to design when the lens is a fixed one. It's sharp from one end to the other throughout it's 50X range. Unfortunately, those Sony long-zoom cameras are a bit costly but IQ is really excellent for a small-sensor camera, as long as you don't pixel peep.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2017
    • Like Like x 2