Why doesn't Sony offer silent shutter on the A7 II?

Discussion in 'Sony Alpha E-Mount Cameras' started by JonathanF2, Oct 5, 2017.

  1. JonathanF2

    JonathanF2 TalkEmount Veteran

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    I wish the A7 II had a silent shutter mode. Olympus gave the E-M1 mark I a silent shutter after several firmware updates! I'm just wondering if it's a hardware issue or perhaps a marketing decision not to include it? Does anyone else want it on the A7 II? o_O I don't really need an A7R/A7S II or A9 just for this one feature!
     
  2. WoodWorks

    WoodWorks Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Dec 12, 2012
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    David
    My guess is that the A7II doesn't have the processing power to enable a silent shutter on a full frame sensor. It's significantly easier on the ยต4/3 sensor, which is working with only 1/4 the amount of information.
     
  3. AlwaysOnAuto

    AlwaysOnAuto TalkEmount All-Pro

    Feb 17, 2015
    So it's a mechanical thing, not a software thing?
     
  4. JonathanF2

    JonathanF2 TalkEmount Veteran

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    What I'm trying to understand is if the camera can record video, shouldn't the silent shutter work in a similar fashion merely recording that image without triggering the shutter? I'd be happy with even just a single shot option and not necessarily shooting in burst mode.
     
  5. AlwaysOnAuto

    AlwaysOnAuto TalkEmount All-Pro

    Feb 17, 2015
    I'll admit to being ignorant as to how a mirrorless shutter actually works, but I'd like it to be a little quieter, if not silent, too.
     
  6. fractal

    fractal TalkEmount Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jun 17, 2014
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    Chris
    Silent shutter is an all electronic shutter and I believe has to be "built-into" the sensor. On my NEX-7 I have Electronic first curtain shutter, my A7rii adds the second curtain electronically which provides a silent shutter. I've found it useful when using it at my daughter's graduation ceremony, a classical musical performance and a WWii Veteran's speech. It does however have limitations you should be aware of. Here is a good article on it with links into more detail.

    Limitations of the electronic shutter function - phillipreeve.net


    I should note that the new A9 sensor in full electronic shutter mode (silent mode) greatly reduces many of these limitations and quirks in previous electronic shutters. A reason some people are so excited about the camera.
     
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  7. WoodWorks

    WoodWorks Super Moderator Subscribing Member

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    David
    The maximum video frame size on the A7II is 1920 x 1080, or ~2MP. It takes a lot less processing power to render a frame of video than it does a 6000 x 4000 (24MP) still frame. But if a 2MP shot will suffice, you can always shoot a short burst of (silent) video and extract a frame.
     
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  8. aKilter

    aKilter New to TalkEmount

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    Hi Jonathan! Completely unrelated, but do you still shoot with m43? I think some of your best work was with the Olympus 8mm f/1.8 lens. It really seemed to suit your eye.

    I recently picked up a used D750(seems to be free of the shutter issue) and must admit, I like the easy manipulation of DOF and the ability to crop without losing much, if any, image quality. I pretty much only shoot primes now, and that will certainly be the case with the D750; so weight won't be an issue.

    I do really like my PEN-F and my venerable E-M10 though. This, along with some very nice glass, and I'm not leaving m43 anytime soon. Horses for courses, I guess.

    Sorry for the slight hijack, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
     
  9. JonathanF2

    JonathanF2 TalkEmount Veteran

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    Yeah, I'm shooting M43, Sony and Nikon. I like them all for different reason, but I really should downsize!
     
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  10. JonathanF2

    JonathanF2 TalkEmount Veteran

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    The A9 actually hits a lot of checks for me, except on price! I got my A7 II for dirt cheap in comparison and the only thing I need from the A9 is the silent shutter and dual card slots.
     
  11. bdbits

    bdbits TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Bob
    Nobody knows for certain what will be in the A7iii or when it will come, but perhaps silent shutter will make it. Or not, who knows. I would like silent shutter, too, but I only managed to grab an A7ii at a greatly reduced price. I suspect the A7iii at intro will be more than I am willing to spend. Maybe when the A7Riii comes along I can pick up an A7Rii at a greatly reduced price. :)
     
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  12. roundball

    roundball TalkEmount Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

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    I don't know about other models but the sound of the NEX7 shutter is terrible, very loud.
    I'm especially reminded whenever I might decide to use the 3 shot 'bracket exposure' feature.
     
  13. AlwaysOnAuto

    AlwaysOnAuto TalkEmount All-Pro

    Feb 17, 2015
    I'll put up with the noise on both mine. They aren't as bad as a DSLR.
     
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  14. JonathanF2

    JonathanF2 TalkEmount Veteran

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    Part of the reason I still keep an M43 kit around is due to the silent shutter. I shoot theater gigs every once in awhile and M43 is my go-to kit for that.
     
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  15. mnhoj

    mnhoj TalkEmount Veteran

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    Aug 19, 2013
    Silent sure was nice.
    Now I cough to hide the shutter.
     
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  16. Tipton

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    Rae Leggett
    Do they the call the ambulance when you shoot high speed, continuous? :)
     
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  17. JonathanF2

    JonathanF2 TalkEmount Veteran

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    I think the original A7 was louder than the mark II!
     
  18. mnhoj

    mnhoj TalkEmount Veteran

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    Yes it was.
    That thing roared.
     
  19. sven karma

    sven karma TalkEmount Veteran

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    mark evans
    The Fuji X-E2 also acquired a silent shutter via firmware upgrade, quite a while after it was first released. Sony doing that sounds a bit un-Sony like though.
     
  20. addieleman

    addieleman Passionate amateur Subscribing Member

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    Ad Dieleman
    That's funny ... and a useful tip!