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VERY disappointed with the Zeiss 16-70 at 70mm and f/4

Discussion in 'Sony Alpha E-Mount Lenses' started by WT21, Feb 26, 2016.

  1. WT21

    WT21 TalkEmount Top Veteran

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  2. unlo

    unlo Sony ******

    Jan 19, 2014
    Ohio
    Matt
    Were these handheld?
     
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  3. Nexnut

    Nexnut TalkEmount Top Veteran

    The shutter speeds (see EXIF) should have been fast enough.
    I really don't want to repeat my experiences with Sony's standard zooms for the NEXes/Ax000, no matter if they come with the blue label or not. I've said it before but that's what mainly made me buy the X-Wax Fuji with the wonderful 1855 and keep shooting the NEX exclusively with primes.
    BTW, when I got my first NEX I still had the Tamron 17-50mm/f2.8 left from the Nikon. Somewhat larger but a much better lens IMO, but back then there was no focus peaking and I finally sold that lens. Unfortunately Tamron (or Sigma) don't offer their fast 17-50 APS-C zooms for e-mount; I'd get one in a heart beat.

    @WT21@WT21: can you still return that sucker?
     
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  4. WT21

    WT21 TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Yes -- handheld.

    Yes -- I can return. I did some further testing, and got (somewhat) better results, but then I got a brainstorm, and testing the 16-70 against my RX100, and my RX100 produced just as good results, so I see no reason to keep the lens.

    So.... I asked to return, and got a return shipping label. Though it was shipped TO me from NJ, it ships BACK to Canada?? The seller sent me a USPS lable to return to Canada. Do I have to pay duty on this lens, going back???
     
  5. unlo

    unlo Sony ******

    Jan 19, 2014
    Ohio
    Matt
    i'm not entirely sure, but sometimes when using a new OSS lens for the first time on my NEX 5r i had to go in and re-enable stead shot settings. I was also curious (had they been tripod shot) if OSS was on or off during the shooting. Either way i can see your concern and would feel very much the same way if it was my copy. I feel the 18-105 G looks better wide open... (i don't own the lens, just based on what i've seen on the forums)
     
  6. Jefenator

    Jefenator TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Oregon, USA
    Jeff
    Most all-purpose zooms are not noted for being strong at the long end - especially wide open. One might hope that an expensive blue badge Zeiss would be somewhat better, but apparently not.
    At least you're in good company - Ming Thein was finding that the $5000 new Leica 24-90 needs stopping down for the corners and generally "lacks bite" at the telephoto end.
    FWIW I can usually get satisfactory product shots with my $100 Canon EF-M 18-55 kit zoom by stopping down at least a stop and not getting too close to the minimum focus distance.
     
  7. WestOkid

    WestOkid TalkEmount All-Pro

    Jan 25, 2014
    New Jersey, USA
    Gary
    This doesn't look great. When I had the lens, I felt it was generally a good performer, not great at all. In fact, I thought my SEL18105G outperformed it once you applied corrections.

    Now I have to ask about this test, because I find it a bit odd. I would have never known if my lens was bad at this, because I didn't really shoot it at 70/f4 this far away from my subject. The only time I used 70/f4 was for portrait photography. In that case it was acceptable. For landscapes like this I usually use somewhere around F8. Any reason for this use case? Do you know if it does well stopped down?
     
  8. WT21

    WT21 TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Hand held, early morning, walking around is when I do most of my shooting. Also, I like the OOF elements on the edges, though f/4 might not be fast enough on APS-C it turns out.
     
  9. WestOkid

    WestOkid TalkEmount All-Pro

    Jan 25, 2014
    New Jersey, USA
    Gary
    Ok. I got it. This may not be the best lens for that type of thing since 70/F4 is its weakest link. For what it's worth I pieced together this comparison from web sources a while back Standard Zoom comparison SEL1650PZ, SEL1670Z, SELP18105G
     
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  10. chrid

    chrid Super Noob

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    Chris
    Wow just read through your DP review thread, so much hostility. Really puts this forum into prospective of how nice the members are :)
     
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  11. bdbits

    bdbits TalkEmount Veteran

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    Bob
    I lurked around dpreview for quite a while before finding this place. Granted dpreview is a gear-oriented site, but the vitriol and constant whining have become insufferable. Usually, by the time you hit page 2 in an active thread, it is the same 4 or 5 people spitting into the wind. I still check it once in a while, and there are some good photographers (check zackiedawg's BIF photos), but mostly I come here now instead. Because as chrid said, "of how nice the members are" especially to those of us with much lower skill sets. :)
     
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  12. WT21

    WT21 TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    I think I'll get a Sigma 60/2.8. It's not a zoom, but small, light, cheap and a good reputation at 2.8.
     
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  13. addieleman

    addieleman Passionate amateur

    Nov 13, 2012
    Netherlands
    Ad Dieleman
    It's certainly an excellent lens but are you sure you can live without OSS on that one? I had trouble making critically sharp pics with it on the NEX-6 as soon as I went below 1/250 s shutter speed and I have a fairly steady hand; it's so sharp that any motion blur is shown mercilessly.
     
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  14. Amamba

    Amamba TalkEmount All-Pro

    Apr 13, 2013
    SE MI
    As long as you can live with a larger size (the weight is not an issue) the 18-105/4G is probably going to outperform the 16-70/4 at 70mm. Uncharacteristically for a zoom, it's the best at the longer end.
     
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