Sony "Holy Trinity" of glass ...

Discussion in 'Sony Alpha E-Mount Lenses' started by jeffryscott, Jul 9, 2014.

  1. jeffryscott

    jeffryscott TalkEmount Regular

    Jul 7, 2014
    It seems every system has a "Holy Trinity" of glass (usually primes). What is the Sony E mount trinity?
  2. Poki

    Poki TalkEmount Hall of Famer

    Aug 30, 2011
    That's a highly personal choice. For me, it's the 12mm Touit, 24mm Sonnar and 50mm Touit. For others, it might be the Sigma 19mm and Sony 35 and 50mm or something completely different. Really depends on which focal lengths you prefer.
  3. fractal

    fractal TalkEmount Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jun 17, 2014
    Southeastern PA
    Interesting question - I'll take a stab;

    If you are talking "E" mount (not "FE" mount) and only talking Sony labeled lenses I would go with the following;

    Sony Zeiss 24mm 1.8
    Sony SEL 35mm 1.8
    Sony SEL 50mm 1.8

    consideration also for the Sony SEL 10-18 f/4 ( but a zoom ).
  4. dbmiller

    dbmiller TalkEmount Top Veteran

    Mar 2, 2012
    New England
    Unfortunately, I think the E-mount system is too young to have a holy trinity just yet. We really need an 85mm prime to get into the usual trinity area. Although to get to the 35/50/85 of FF, you could go 18/24/50 in APS-C.

    Actually, I would certainly consider the FE 55mm 1.8 among them, whether or not you are APS-C or FF - That lens is surely better than the SEL5018 and works on both sized sensors. For FF, it satisfies the middle of the trinity, and on APS-C its atisfies the long end.

    For the poor-man's APS-C trinity, you could go with all Sigmas, or the 19 and 30 plus the SEL5018.
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  5. Poki

    Poki TalkEmount Hall of Famer

    Aug 30, 2011
    Your math is a little off. It's actually 23,3/33,3/56,6, so we're pretty close with the 24mm 1.8, 35mm 1.8 and 50mm 1.8.
  6. stephen431

    stephen431 TalkEmount Regular

    May 2, 2014
    Mine are currently the 20, 35 & 50.

    Probably the real "Holy Trinity" for the E mount are the SEL35f18, SEL1855, and SEL55210. Those are probably the 3 lenses most users have.

    The one I'd guess most people lust after for the E mount are the SEL1018, SEL1670, and SEL70200.
  7. HabsFan

    HabsFan TalkEmount Veteran

    Apr 10, 2013
    Ontario, CAN
    Cost aside I'd say 24, 35, and 55 come close. On the cheap you could probably go with the 20, 35 (or Sigma 30) and Sigma 60mm.

    What I would really want if Sony built it? 11-22mm and 22mm Pancake (like EOS M), and a smallish 60/70mm range f2.
  8. jeffryscott

    jeffryscott TalkEmount Regular

    Jul 7, 2014
    I asked the question because most systems have 35, 50 and 85 primes (either 1.4 or 1.8), Oly has the 12, 25 and 45 primes, and it seems Sony is slowly coming around with primes.

    It seems the Sigma trinity is a good inexpensive trinity, I'm wondering about the 20 2.8, 35 1.8 and 50 1.8. They all seem good, but of course there is the Zeiss 12 and 32 and for the portrait lens, hmmm?

    What I like is if I invest in Sony E, the FE lenses will also work, and vice versa (albeit in crop mode on A7 series).
  9. dbmiller

    dbmiller TalkEmount Top Veteran

    Mar 2, 2012
    New England
    Holy crap! I somehow slipped into 2x crop mode. Don't know how that happened as I never bought a micro-4/3rds camera!

    So yes, the closest trinity for APS-C would be the SEL2418Z, SEL3518, and SEL5518Z. Could replace the 35 with SEL3528Z which is probably a better lens, especially if we're talking real "holy" trinities like the 1.2L lenses for Canon, I think I'd go that direction.
  10. codesnipper

    codesnipper New to TalkEmount

    May 16, 2014
    My first wedding in saturday: nex6 + sel 50/1.8; a6000 + sigma 19 and A700 + sal 35/1.8 and 85/2.8. SEL16-50 in bag for unexpected.
  11. ddavi78

    ddavi78 TalkEmount Regular

    Dec 28, 2013
    For me it is the Sony Zeiss 24mm, Zeiss Touit 32mm and the SEL50 1.8. For 85mm (~135) I use a legacy Konica 1.8 until Sony finally releases one that's better than the Konica AR.

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  12. BruPri

    BruPri TalkEmount Regular

    Aug 7, 2011
    Since I've moved to FF, Contax Distagon for wide, 28mm f2.8, Zeiss 55mm f1.8, for medium, and because I like distance (moon, birds etc), Sigma 500mm mirror.
  13. Deadbear77

    Deadbear77 TalkEmount Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Sep 14, 2012
    Northeast Ohio
    My usual carry for A7r full manual is

    CV 35 1.2
    Chrome nose 55 1.2
    Rokinon 85 1.4

    When I need auto,
    24 1.8 ...I also use in crop to make it 35mm
    55 1.8

    Or if I go canon only

    FL 35 2.5
    FL 55 1.2
    FL 85 1.8
    FD 100 2.8
    FD 200 2.8

    Drop two off the top or bottom of the canon list to match the style of the day.

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  14. jeffryscott

    jeffryscott TalkEmount Regular

    Jul 7, 2014
    Just ordered an A6000 and am going to start with the 19, 30 and 60 Sigma lenses.It may not be the "Holy Trinity" but it seems at least like a minor deity of glass.

    Ultimately, I plan to get the 24 1.8 Zeiss as what I would consider my primary lens. Love the focal length. The Zeiss 12 and 32 are strong contenders to add as well (although Sony's 10-18 zoom looks mighty good as well.) For the long end, for now at least, I'm going to keep my Nikon D7000 and 80-200 AF-S around.

    I am very curious how MF focus works on the Sony, so I will need to give that a try as well ....
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  15. dragion

    dragion TalkEmount Top Veteran

    May 8, 2014
    Boston, MA
    My Personal Opinion

    For me...there isn't one right now.

    Until Sony makes the SEL85F18, then there will be a trinity of primes.


    As far as variable zooms goes...


    These are the closest at the moment.

    Of course this is based on Sony branded lenses...not Zeiss.
    (The truth is that I can't afford them) :blush:
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  16. quezra

    quezra TalkEmount Top Veteran

    Aug 22, 2012
    Sigma's trinity is 19 - 30 - 60 mm (equivalent to 28 - 45 - 90 mm)
    Sony's trinity is 16 or 20 - 35 - 50 mm (equivalent to 24 or 30 - 52.5 - 75 mm)
    Zeiss's trinity is 12 - 24 - 32 mm (equivalent to 18, 36, 48 mm - though arguably there are the 50/2.8 macro and FE 55/1.8 too)

    It's actually really cool that you can mix and match, alongside all the legacy options. Sigma's are cheap and good, but not fast. Zeiss are fast and good, but not cheap. Sony's are some combination of the others: either fast and good, but not that cheap (35mm), or cheap but not fast and not that good, but also tiny (16/2.8, 20/2.8), or cheap, fast and good, but the AF is not great (50mm).

    FF E-mount still needs a proper 24mm or wider and a portrait lens of course.
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  17. Yohan

    Yohan TalkEmount Veteran

    May 21, 2012
    Vancouver, BC
    Sony CZ 24mm & 55mm are two lenses that had the "wow factor" for me. Unsure what my third would be..
  18. jeffryscott

    jeffryscott TalkEmount Regular

    Jul 7, 2014
    Completed my purchases for my basic kit, as of now. The Sigma trio won out based on price/performance. Have in hand the 30 and 60 Art lenses, and en route is the 19 Art.

    Can't comment on anything more as my A6000 arrives in the a.m., but I have no question that these lens will perform!
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  19. ddavi78

    ddavi78 TalkEmount Regular

    Dec 28, 2013
    Nice, you should be good to go for now. Enjoy and post some pics!

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  20. jeffryscott

    jeffryscott TalkEmount Regular

    Jul 7, 2014
    WOW, WOW, WOW is my first impression of the 60 Sigma. Haven't played with the 30 much and the 19 is on the way. I'll post a few pics once I get something to share.
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