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Mir-1 anyone?

Discussion in 'Adapted Lenses' started by Vorkhosdn, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. Vorkhosdn

    Vorkhosdn TalkEmount Rookie

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    Sep 22, 2011
    Hi all! I'm looking for is a non-very-contrasty and fast lens in the range of 45-65mm (35mm equiv) that flares easily. Ideally it would be the Canon 35mm f/1.5 LTM but it's way too expensive. I already own the Fujian/Fotasy 35mmv f/1.7. It would be perfect but I don't want the borders to be that blurred.

    So I thought the Mir-1V might be an option despite of the size when mounted on the adapter for a "just" f/2.8 lens. For what I've seen on other systems, I like the way it renders, the bokeh, the colours and also that when stopped down it becomes a serious performer. So this duality would allow it to be used for creative purposes but also for more technical stuff if needed. Has anybody played with this lens on a NEX? I would really appreciate any kind of information: impressions, samples, pictures of the setup...

    Any other recommendation? I see a lot of NEX users buy and adapt the Industar-69. Is it any good? I like it being M39 mount and the size is also perfect but I fear 42mm might be a bit short for what I want (semi-open, backlight portraits).

    Thanks!
     
  2. Travisennis

    Travisennis TalkEmount Veteran

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    Aug 7, 2011
    Jasper, Indiana
  3. stratokaster

    stratokaster TalkEmount Regular

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    Aug 27, 2011
    Mir-1V should be exactly what you're looking for. It's rather soft and has a lot of flare. By the way, if you need any information about FSU lenses, you can PM me. Zenit-12 with various Helioses, Mirs and Jupiters was the camera of my childhood.
     
  4. Vorkhosdn

    Vorkhosdn TalkEmount Rookie

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    Sep 22, 2011
    Thank you very much for the link, Travisennis. I've seen some samples on flickr but not that thread on dpreview. It's nice to read the user experience and I also appreciate the camera porn shot!

    Stratokaster, thank you so much for your offering. :) Actually before reaching the idea that the Mir-1V might be suitable for my needings I did a bit of research on soviet lenses and found a fascinating world. Lenses like the Helios-40 or the Jupiter-8 are all about character. I would like to have them all...

    Do you know something about the Mir-24? It doesn't seem to be uncommon and it's a bit faster than the 1V. I tried also looking for some info about the Mir-46, the Helios-2 and the Helios-33 but there is almost none on the internet. Probably next year I'll visit Ukraine, so it will be nice to know a bit of them just in case.
     
  5. stratokaster

    stratokaster TalkEmount Regular

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    Aug 27, 2011
    Mir-24 is much sharper than Mir-1V. It was initially produced in Nikon mount only, and some people say it compares favorably to Nikkor 35/2.8 AI-S. I had a rare Mir-24M (in M42 mount) and it was very decent - at least on film. The most common version of Mir-24 comes in Nikon mount and is made by Arsenal factory in Kyiv. It's very sharp and is multicoated. Its only weakness is low contrast because some of its inner surfaces and the aperture blades are not blackened.

    Mir-46 is extremely rare. It has never actually entered mass production. This also applies to Helios-2. Finding those lenses is slightly less likely than finding a unicorn.

    Helios-33 is not coated. This lens was intended for 16mm cinema cameras, it won't cover the APS-C sized sensor.

    Visiting Ukraine next year? Euro-2012?
     
  6. Vorkhosdn

    Vorkhosdn TalkEmount Rookie

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    Sep 22, 2011
    How nice, thanks a lot for the info! I see, so probably the 1V fits better my purposes than the 24. A good thing about them is that they are relatively inexpensive so I can try three of four of them for the price of a single system lens. Maybe the only exception is the Helios-40, which is going up to $500 on eBay.

    So definitely I can forget about Mir-46 and Helios-2. I saw them on zenitcamera.com but as there are neither samples on flickr nor more info on google I thought they might be prototypes or whatever. I didn't know the Helios-33 was for 16mm cameras. In that case it may work nice with the new Nikon 1 system but obviously not on a NEX.

    Hehe, no, I'm not going for the Euro-2012. I was planning to cross the mountains on the West region and then continue to the black sea. Just tourism but the plan it's not yet sure.

    Thanks again, stratokaster, you've helped me a lot. :)
     
  7. riccardocovino

    riccardocovino TalkEmount Rookie

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    Sep 25, 2011
    I have both :)
    For sure they are cheap lenses and so there's no problem in giving a try.

    Mir-1 and Industar 69 have quite different focus (37 and 28), so not exactly the same, the Industar is more a generic lens while the Mir is a portrait lens (with 1.5 APS-C factor).

    They are both soft wide open and prone to flare and glow around shiny subjects.

    If size matters it makes a huge difference, the Industar is a pancake, the Mir npot and requires an extra tube to have the correct focus distance (it's M39 mount but not Leica Focus distance, beware!)

    Here are the two beauties with my Nex, you can see the great difference in size!

    If you need some examples for comparison feel free to ask!

    IMG_6020.JPG IMG_6022.JPG IMG_6023.JPG
     
  8. stratokaster

    stratokaster TalkEmount Regular

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    Aug 27, 2011
    Mir-1 is also available in M42 mount.
     
  9. storyteller

    storyteller TalkEmount Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2011
    I'm interested in the Industar 69. Do you have full sized samples somewhere?
     
  10. riccardocovino

    riccardocovino TalkEmount Rookie

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    Sep 25, 2011
    True, and it ends up in being the same distance.
     
  11. Vorkhosdn

    Vorkhosdn TalkEmount Rookie

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    Sep 22, 2011
    Thanks for showing both on the photos, riccardocovino! Yes, what makes me unsure about the MIR-1 is its size. Even if its for a particular kind of photos and not for being a walk-around lens (for that I would probably get the Nokton 35mm f/1.4 SC), I don't like carrying heavy lenses in the bag. Anyway I suppose I will give them both a try. They are inexpensive and if I don't get use to them, I can always resell them without losing almost anything.

    Did you adapt the Industar-69 yourself? Is it as easy as tutorials on the internet show?
     
  12. Vorkhosdn

    Vorkhosdn TalkEmount Rookie

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    Sep 22, 2011
    BTW, I'm aware of the different versions/mounts. I would get the 1V (M42 version) as I already own a Yashica film camera and a Yashinon 55mm f/1.2 I would also like to use on the NEX.
     
  13. riccardocovino

    riccardocovino TalkEmount Rookie

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    Sep 25, 2011
    The Industar 69 fits perfectly to M39 adapter, so no work for me!
     
  14. stratokaster

    stratokaster TalkEmount Regular

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    Aug 27, 2011
    No. M39 SLR mount flange-back distance is 45.2mm, M42 mount flange-back distance is 45.5 mm. On a real M42 camera you'd lose infinity focus, but on the NEX this is not a problem because most adapters allow focusing past infinity.
     
  15. riccardocovino

    riccardocovino TalkEmount Rookie

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    Sep 25, 2011
    Thanks for the information!
    I have the Industar 50mm 3.5 both M39 and M42 versions and the only difference is the diameter of the screw ring.
    So maybe the 0.3 difference can be between the M39 tube+adapter and the M42 adapter.
     
  16. riccardocovino

    riccardocovino TalkEmount Rookie

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    Sep 25, 2011
    Industar 69

    DSC07332.

    as you can see has heavy vignetting and only the center is sharp.