Lens for Landscape

Discussion in 'Sony Alpha E-Mount Lenses' started by Noor, Jul 30, 2016.

  1. Noor

    Noor TalkEmount Regular

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    Hello,

    I am completing my system of primes for my a6000 :)

    UWA : 12mm F2 Samyang (Lovely little gem)
    WA: Here for advice
    Normal:Sigma 30mm F1.4
    Portrait: Sony 50mm F/1.8 OSS (Ordered)

    Speed is not essential for the landscape lens , but edge to edge sharpness and control of field curvature is important. The Sigma 19mm seems like the most likely candidate but I've been reading that the edges are not great , even stopped down. I am open to Manual focus lens for this FL , any suggestions?

    cheers !
     
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  2. Kiwi Paul

    Kiwi Paul TalkEmount Veteran

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    There's not a lot of native prime lenses in the 16-24 range, the Sony 20mm pancake and the Sony Ziess 24mm. Voigtlander 21mm lens + adapter (although an expensive lens).
    If you don't mind a zoom the Sony 10-18 is very good, I have one.
     
  3. Noor

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    Yes not many native options and the 10-18 is rather expensive.. That's why I'm willing to look into non native options.
     
  4. WoodWorks

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    David
    I had the Canon FD 20mm f/2.8 which I enjoyed using on my old NEX-6. The sample thread has a variety of landscapes.
     
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  5. Noor

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    The FD 20mm looks like a good option (fits perfectly between 12 & 30 mm), if only I can fine samples on APS-C as the smaller sensor will be more taxing !
     
  6. soeren

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    I have the 12 mm samyang, 24mm Sony and 60mm sigma and I don't feel i need something between the 12 and 24.
     
  7. Noor

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    Yes , but between 12&30 you would feel the need :)
     
  8. NickCyprus

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    If you don't mind adapted manual focus lenses, why not buy one of the many cheap available 24mm lenses from the film era? I have the MD24-35 and its ok, I imagine the MD24mm would be even better

    Having said that, what's your budget if that's ok to ask? If it were me, I'd go with one of the native options (sigma 19mm, sony 20mm etc)
     
  9. Noor

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    24mm would be a bit close to my sigma 30 , I'd prefer to have them better spaced out ...
    I can pay up to 300 USD , only if I am certain that adapted lens would provide more sharpness and less field curvature compared to the Sigma 19mm , Another thing is that I have doubts weather the Sigma 19mm would better the Sel16-50 @ ~20mm.
     
  10. addieleman

    addieleman Passionate amateur

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    Ad Dieleman
    I suspect you'll have a hard time finding a ~20mm legacy lens that's better than the Sigma 2.8/19, especially when you limit your budget to $300. I'd say, get the Sigma 19 used and sell it if you don't like it, you won't lose too much money if at all.
     
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  11. Noor

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    I am willing to push my budget a bit if I can get compelling results, anyone has experience with the Voigtlander Color Skopar 21mm F4 on APS-C ?
     
  12. Chris Munden

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    Consider the Samyang 21-mm F/1.4 and the 14-mm F/2.8, both in E mount, They get very good reviews and I suspect the 21-mm will be a great landscape lens if you don't mind manual focus.
     
  13. NickCyprus

    NickCyprus Super Moderator

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    Nick
    I have the 16-50 and its not a lens I like for its IQ (only for its compact size). I believe the sigma should be much better and that's the option I would go for :)
    The Samyang 14 2.8 would be too close to your 12mm in terms of FL...
    Legacy lenses under 24mm are very expensive and not sure worth it in terms of IQ...
     
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  14. Noor

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    Thanks all ,

    So its now down to 2 options:

    Samyang 21mm F1.4 vs Sigma 19

    19 mm vs 21 mm (both fine)
    F/1.4 vs F/2.8
    MF vs AF
    400$ vs 200$

    I have reasons to believe the Samyang is sharper , but I can't find conclusive evidence... finding it difficult to justify double the price

    Good reviews:
    Samyang 21mm f/1.4 ED AS UMC CS Review | PhotographyBLOG
    Samyang 21mm f1.4 ED AS UMC CS Review-Sony E Mount (Japanese ,but see the comparison to SEL24F18)

    These guys got a de-centered one:
    Samyang 21 mm f/1.4 ED AS UMC CS review - Introduction - LensTip.com
     
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  15. soeren

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    Hmmm no I actually don't think so. Initially i found the 12mm too wide but it has grown on me and now i really like it. Id like something longer than the 60mm but i don't feel a need for something between the 24 and 60. Originally i was a 2xf guy like 24, 50, 105mm or 12, 24, 50mm or 35, 75 etc. Now i don't mind more space between angles of view.
     
  16. Noor

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    I do find composition with 12 mm is really challenging but it has worked great for astrophotography !
     
  17. soeren

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    That's true it's not an easy lens to master.
     
  18. Noor

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    It's the Sigma then , it's just too compelling !
     
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  19. WNG

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    Will
    Ummm, the Sigma 19mm wins hands down against the Sony 16-50. It also yields better corners and less distortion than the Sony 20mm pancake.
    I've found my copy of the 19mm EX DN perfectly suitable for landscapes. The 30mm f2.8 Art will be sharper, and the 60mm f2.8 Art the sharpest of the three.
    From my landscaping, the 19mm is a very useful F.L., 30mm is less, and 24mm being the best compromise. There are times I wanted less than the 19mm, and I opted for a Samyang-Rokinon FE 14mm f2.8.

    There are no cheap vintage manual alternatives. As the best ones still demand big dollars, ie. Tamron SP 17mm, Konica Hexanon 21mm, Nikkor 20/21mm, Olympus OM Zuiko 21mm.
    Even the Canon FD 20mm mentioned is more costlier than the Sigma 19mm. And its performance is their equal if not better.

    Some Sigma 19mm pics for the thread...;)

    14902508095_712b52ecd7_h. The Lost Dutchman is Restless by wNG iMAGE aND dESIGN, on Flickr

    16375383275_4af5be7eae_h. Desert Dusk by wNG iMAGE aND dESIGN, on Flickr

    17140085871_1ae2ef8f80_h. DSC06035a by wNG iMAGE aND dESIGN, on Flickr
     
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  20. Noor

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    Those are awesome shots !
    Got the sigma already :) I have yet the chance to properly test it but the few shots I took around home look good.

    I sold off my SEL24f18 because it was a bad copy (got it used) and I found myself needing two lens to replace it!

    Anyway I have a complete system of primes now and time to put it into proper use ! :)