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I think I want a Zeiss 16-70

Discussion in 'Sony Alpha E-Mount Lenses' started by AK47J, Mar 6, 2016.

  1. AK47J

    AK47J TalkEmount Veteran

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    Jan 31, 2014
    Central Oregon
    I have the 16-50 kit lens and I use is very often. I would like to "upgrade" from it.
    I like the versatility of the kit lens and want to improve upon that. I have been thinking about either getting the Zeiss 16-70 or the 18-105 G. If you have experience with either of these lenses please talk me into or out of one or the other. And feel free to suggest a lens I might have missed, a good wide-mid zoom, good walk around/swiss-army knife type of lens that isn't insanely bulky or spendy.

    P.S. Lens will be used on my A6000

    Edit: Has anyone ever used this retailer? Is it legit?
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  2. NickCyprus

    NickCyprus Super Moderator

    Oct 11, 2012
    Cyprus
    Nick
    I had the 18-105 when I had my Nex-6 and really liked that lens! Good IQ, nice at 100mm for portraits, with nice bokeh, very versatile FL, big but not heavy, only thing that bothered me was the power zoom (distortion was not an issue since LR has a correction profile for it). That said, I don't know how it compares with the zeiss 16-70 since I've never owned that lens but I don't know if there's a $400 IQ difference :)
     
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  3. Hawkman

    Hawkman TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Sep 10, 2013
    Virginia, USA
    Steve
    I just picked up the 18-105G, and so far, so good. It's a bit large and heavy compared to my kit SEL1855, and slightly heavier and similarly sized to the SEL55210 (though with a much larger diameter at the end). I don't have the 16-70 Zeiss, but believe it is closer in size to the 18-55.

    As for image quality, I am pleased with the 18-105G so far. Here's a quick sample from tonight in low indoor light...
    25210331169_7aac298249_b. Wine at 70mm by SRHawk64, on Flickr
    This shot with the SEL18105G surprised me when it was notably sharper than a similar shot with my beloved old MC Rokkor-X PG 50/1.4. And the bokeh at f/4 and 70mm is not bad at all.
     
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  4. WestOkid

    WestOkid TalkEmount All-Pro

    Jan 25, 2014
    New Jersey, USA
    Gary
    I had both. The colors of 16-70z have more punch out of the box. Overall IQ is similar, but the 18-105G is more versatile and can be used at its extremes. On the other hand, the size, weight and handling of the 16-70z are perfect IMO. Especially when compared to the clunky 18-105G. Both are noticeably better than the kit lenses.
     
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  5. AK47J

    AK47J TalkEmount Veteran

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    Jan 31, 2014
    Central Oregon

    Thank you. I'd prefer to keep the bulk to a minimum. I don't really need the little bit of extra reach the 18-105 has at the expense of easy handling.
     
  6. msullivan

    msullivan TalkEmount Regular

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    Jan 11, 2013
    Phoenix AZ
    I got by with the 16-50 pz for light carry around for years but I recently picked up the 16-70z and I could not be happier. It is excellent across is range and from side to side in the frame. The top primes (24z, 35 1.8 and 50 1.8 all of which I have) edge it out a bit in IQ but for day to day carry around it is very satisfying.
     
  7. Amamba

    Amamba TalkEmount All-Pro

    Apr 13, 2013
    SE MI

    I was looking at the 1670 samples and reviews for months and I got the impression that it was basically the same optically as 18105 but more compact and wider. It seems slightly better in the wide range and slightly worse in the longer range, basically very similar. Which makes it very hard for me to justify spending extra $400 for it.

    My 18105 is not supersharp. Not soft, just not visibly sharper than either my 1855 or 55210 in good light. OTOH both copies of these lenses that I got are very sharp. I can see how someone with a less than stellar copy of the kit would see the difference right away. Of course once you need that f4 the difference is visible, although it's still not a fast zoom. Also, the FOV at 18mm is exactly the same as Sigma 19/2.8, and 105mm feels more like 110mm. OTOH I don't know if 1670 is the same FOV at 16mm as 16/2.8.

    It is also the weakest at the wide end, and grows progressively better as it gets longer. It's the best at the long end around f5.6.

    I have no problems with powerzoom. It's very well implemented and feels much more smooth than 1650. The focusing speed on Nex-6 is about the same as 1855 and a tad slower than 1650.

    It has nice colors and bokeh. And it's excellent for video.

    The size is noticeable. It's not heavy at all, but it's bulky. About the size of a typical DSLR walkabout zoom. Still makes for a relatively portable package vs DSLR (my Rebel with 17-50/2.8 would barely fit in my car's glove compartment while Nex+18105 has room to spare) but it's much bigger than the 1855 kit, which is why I still often use the kit.

    If 1670 was within $100 of 18105, I'd get it for portability alone. But to me it's grossly overpriced for what it does.

    There's really no other alternatives in the E-mount I can think of. The 18-200's are also bulky, heavy, and some are not very sharp.

    I am also using Minolta AF 35-70/4 Macro with LA-EA2. It's very sharp throughtout the range and has great colors. And it's very compact even with adapter. However it's range makes it impractical as a general use zoom. You still need a wider lens. It's also unstabilized (so not nearly as useful in low light), has a noisy screw drive AF (so not good for video) and the AF in general is not superfast. But it has wonderful rendering so I sometimes carry it + 16/2.8 in a pocked on trips. Just another thing to consider.

    Finally, just recently I got a 1650 in a swap deal. Comparing it to my 1855, the older kit is definitely better optically. It is sharper and has better corners. So if you can find it for $100 or less, perhaps it would give you a slight edge over your 1650 for little money. Just need to make sure that 1855 was made after 2013. The early silver versions had some QC issues. My first one had a very unpredictable focusing. The newer silver ones and all black ones should be fine.
     
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  8. AK47J

    AK47J TalkEmount Veteran

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    Jan 31, 2014
    Central Oregon
    Well, thank you everyone for the input. I think I will roll the dice on a grey market Zeiss through Amazon, I have some points to use.
     
  9. AK47J

    AK47J TalkEmount Veteran

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    Jan 31, 2014
    Central Oregon
    I took the plunge

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  10. addieleman

    addieleman Passionate amateur

    Nov 13, 2012
    Netherlands
    Ad Dieleman
    Congrats, have fun with it!
     
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  11. NickCyprus

    NickCyprus Super Moderator

    Oct 11, 2012
    Cyprus
    Nick
    Congrats! Enjoy ;)
     
  12. NkedFatWhiteGuy

    NkedFatWhiteGuy TalkEmount Veteran

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    Oct 28, 2013
    Portland, Oregon
    Congratulations! It is an awesome pair to the a6000!


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  13. davect01

    davect01 Super Moderator

    Aug 20, 2011
    Fountain Hills, AZ
    Dave
    Enjoy the combo. I personally have a hard time justifying the $7-800.

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  14. AK47J

    AK47J TalkEmount Veteran

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    Jan 31, 2014
    Central Oregon
    It is expensive. After I got my tax return I pretty much said "f*** it" and bought the lens I had wanted for a long time now. Plus I had saved up a little over $100 worth of "amazon points", so I put all of that towards the purchase. And I have noticed that most Zeiss lenses have a decent resale value, so if I end up not liking it I should be able to recoup a decent portion.
     
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  15. WestOkid

    WestOkid TalkEmount All-Pro

    Jan 25, 2014
    New Jersey, USA
    Gary
    Let us know how you like it. And post some picks from the new toy. :)
     
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  16. Rschwib

    Rschwib New to TalkEmount

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    Mar 24, 2016
    I'm thinking of buying the 16-70 as well and I'd love to hear what you think of the lens. I'd like to replace my kit 16-50 and use the 16-70 on my a6000. Appreciate your thoughts.
     
  17. WestOkid

    WestOkid TalkEmount All-Pro

    Jan 25, 2014
    New Jersey, USA
    Gary
    Not trying to be funny, but this is entire thread are people's thoughts on that subject.
    I also put together a list comparing standard APSC zooms a while back Standard Zoom comparison SEL1650PZ, SEL1670Z, SELP18105G
     
  18. Chris Munden

    Chris Munden TalkEmount Regular

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    May 13, 2016
    Peter Bower
    Each to their own I guess, I don't think the Zeiss 16-70 is worth the money, its price point/performance is not that brilliant. if you can work without OSS then I would opt for the Tamron 17-50 F/2.8 non VC Sony fit, or the Sony DT 16-50 F/2.8 or a used A mount Zeiss 16-80 all via an adaptor, Look at Photozone's and Kurt Munger's review of the CZ 16-70. Also bare in mind that the label Tessar in Germany was the budget end of the Zeiss range with Sonar and Planar being at the top of the range
     
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  19. Rschwib

    Rschwib New to TalkEmount

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    Mar 24, 2016
    Thanks for the added input.
     
  20. dragion

    dragion TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    May 8, 2014
    Boston, MA
    William
    Bring this thread back...

    I actually own both the SELP18105G and SEL1670Z and in my opinion the SELP18105G is the best single all around lens for both stills and video for the A6*00 series.
    I find that the IQ, sharpness and contrast are very similar and can't lose with either one.

    Here is my Hawaii Flickr Album from last years visit...mostly of the images were captured with both of these lenses.
    The other images were with either the SEL1018 or from my LG G4 smartphone.

    Examples:

    A6000 : SELP18105G

    20472099213_08fab8e2c8_k. Germaine Luau-Sunset Beach by William Fong, on Flickr

    A6000 : SEL1670Z

    20981160278_ebde3b83cd_k. Kuhio Beach by William Fong, on Flickr

    Hawaii 2015
     
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