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Great legacy portrait lenses? (FF)

Discussion in 'Adapted Lenses' started by quezra, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. quezra

    quezra TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Aug 22, 2012
    So, with the paradigm shift of moving to full frame impending - I've suddenly become interested in the 75~100mm length which I'd previously found too narrow on APS-C crop. So, any suggestions what are the good lenses in this range (any mount, aside from the usual suspects of Leica/Zeiss/etc that we all know about)? Max aperture of f2.8 or lower preferably. I have the Canon FL 85/1.8 (unfortunately packed in a box on another continent) which I found a bit soft on the 5N so not terribly excited to try that on FF as it probably only starts to shine around f4-5.6.
     
  2. Bimjo

    Bimjo Super Moderator

    Oct 28, 2011
    Washington State
    Jim
    Contax 85/1.4 in any iteration is a contender IMO.
     
  3. f/otographer

    f/otographer TalkEmount Regular

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    Aug 20, 2013
    You can try the Russian made Jupiter 9 in M42 mount. Its an 85mm f/2 and supposedly a very nice portrait lens. Like all lenses from the Soviet era quality control was hit or miss. Find a good copy and it will most likely be a keeper. I think they have 15 aperture blades as well.

    Of course there is always the Minolta MD 85/1.7. Cant go wrong with any of the old glass from them.
     
  4. serhan

    serhan TalkEmount All-Pro

    Aug 27, 2011
    NYC
    Usually 85mm is a portrait lens, so they tend to be on the soft side wide open like Contax 85mm 1.4/Jupiter 9/Oly 85mm f/2. If you want sharp wide open, Contax Zeiss 85 2.8 or Contax g 90mm 2.8 are good options. Also any 90/105mm macro lenses should be very sharp. Pentax takumar 85's are good. Voigtlander has two 75mm f/1.8 (soft wide open) & f/2.5 (small) lenses. Rokinon has 85mm 1.4 lens should be good wide open. Only problem w/ 1.4 lenses are their size/weight. Smallest fast lenses are Oly f/2, CV 75mm f/2.5, & Contax g 90mm. Next year also Sony will be bringing a 85mm prime, so you might want to wait for that. Sony has also both 85mm 1.4 & 2.8 in A mount.

    From old posts:
    contax g 90mm w/ nex:

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    These are w/ Jupiter 9 + Oly e-p1 (2009, second shot wide open at low light):

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    Contax Zeiss 85mm 1.4 wide open w/ nex-5n:

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    CV 75mm f/2.5
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  5. quezra

    quezra TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Aug 22, 2012
    Thanks everyone! Anyone have any experience with the Samyang 85/1.4 (not the T1.5 cine version, the DSLR version)?
     
  6. Bimjo

    Bimjo Super Moderator

    Oct 28, 2011
    Washington State
    Jim
    I believe that Luis uses one, you might drop him a PM.
     
  7. serhan

    serhan TalkEmount All-Pro

    Aug 27, 2011
    NYC
  8. Deadbear77

    Deadbear77 TalkEmount Hall of Famer

    Sep 14, 2012
    Northeast Ohio
    Kevin
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  9. quezra

    quezra TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Aug 22, 2012
    Thanks! Looks like an e-mount version could be a dream!

    Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk
     
  10. Deadbear77

    Deadbear77 TalkEmount Hall of Famer

    Sep 14, 2012
    Northeast Ohio
    Kevin
    This was the a mount version with adapter


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  11. serhan

    serhan TalkEmount All-Pro

    Aug 27, 2011
    NYC
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  12. uhoh7

    uhoh7 TalkEmount Regular

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    Nov 3, 2013
    softness is often considered a plus for portraits...but your canon should not be soft, so I would think it's either a bad lens or focusing issues, which are huge on this FL.

    85mm on Nex = 127mm which is well beyond classic portrait FL.

    Canon RF 85s, there are four, are excellent, and some are reasonably priced:

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    the 1.9 version around 200ish or the f/2 for even cheaper.

    That russian jupi 9 RF 85 is fantastic, but hard to get a good copy.

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    this one had to be returned.

    The rokis are good but I don't love them.

    ultimate is either canon 85/1.2 or the wild russian 1.5 everyone loves.

    That said plain Jane SLR 85s F/2 or faster can work just fine

    my own mainstay is the canon ltm 85/1.5 from 1954
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    focus at 1.5 is near impossible on any 85, but note oof rendering on this lens.

    For a Nex the very best portrait lenses are all 50s, IMHO.

    In fact your FL 55/1.2 is an incredible portrait lens: as good as anything IMHO. But not easy to use.
     
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  13. quezra

    quezra TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Aug 22, 2012
    Thanks, I do indeed use my 55/1.2 lovingly on APS-C crop, but I'm thinking of something longer for moving to the a7. I am going to enjoy shooting my bleeding sharp 55/1.2 at f2.8 on FF while still getting pretty nice DoF, but I'm thinking about what to get for portraits at FF which should be at least 75-90mm - leaning towards the Samyang, Zeiss (PK mount?), or Canon FD at the moment... I suspect the temptation to shoot below f2 will be much less on a FF camera, so I'd actually be happy with something in Summicron range (f1.8-2) that doesn't cost 4 digits and gets significant weight savings on the f1.4s - as long as it can perform at about f2 onwards.
     
  14. uhoh7

    uhoh7 TalkEmount Regular

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    Nov 3, 2013
    OK now I get it.

    What is your budget and do you care about size?
     
  15. michelb

    michelb TalkEmount Regular

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    Oct 27, 2013
    Greater Montreal area in Quebec, Canada
    Michel Brien
    My favourite:

    MC ROKKOR-X 85mm F1.7 ( circa 1973)
    Here @ 1,7


    Here at F16


    Here with Zhongyi Lens Turbo @ 1,7
     
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  16. quezra

    quezra TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Aug 22, 2012
    My budget would be anything less than the Zeiss FE 55/1.8 (I assume the first portrait length they release will be similar in price). I don't really care about size so much as weight. Less than 500g would be great but I know that's not possible with fast lenses.
     
  17. dbmiller

    dbmiller TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Mar 2, 2012
    New England
    I have the Canon LTM 85/1.9 that I inherited from my father. Can't wait until the A7/A7r come to the stores so I can try it out on FF.

    Here's one shot with it long ago when the NEX-C3 first came out.

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    DSC00010 by DBMiller1961, on Flickr
     
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  18. uhoh7

    uhoh7 TalkEmount Regular

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    Nov 3, 2013
    SO you survived that parachute drop! cool!

    haha, but I concur, that lens is a great bet on a7r, plus it is sexiest 85 ever made. 250USD max for exe+

    OP: for that money you can get either canon 85/1.2 or

    http://www.amazon.com/Russian-Soviet-Helios-40-2-portrait-Camera/dp/B00AXUZ322
     
  19. dbmiller

    dbmiller TalkEmount Top Veteran

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    Mar 2, 2012
    New England
    No affiliation - FYI For those interested...

    I see a Canon LTM 85/2 just got listed
     
  20. serhan

    serhan TalkEmount All-Pro

    Aug 27, 2011
    NYC