Buying lense at 85-100mm

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  1. alaios

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    Dear all,
    I will be buying me soon a lens between 85-100. Below you will find the list of the lenses I found at acceptable quality and price and I wanted to ask your opinion regarding their optical performance (in which I have not a clue and I was able to spot only few of review)

    1. Rollei Rolleinar-MC 85mm f/2.8
    2. Canon FD 100mm F2.8 S.S.C.
    3. Vivitar 100 mm F:2,8
    4. M 42,Revue Telefoto 2,8/100mm
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    perhaps also these two
    5. Minolta MD 135mm 1:2,8 (135 is kind too large but had very sweet price)
    6. Nikon Serie E 100 mm 2,8 (the most expensive one, I will consider it only if it is like two times better than the aforementioned)

    I would say that personal preference is 1,2,4 because of their small size, but this only judging on how they look like.

    Do you know any of these lenses and have a word to say?

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    I have a Minolta MD 135mm f:2.8 that I have been using for many years. It is one of my favorite lenses, and was frequently used for informal portrait shots with my film cameras. When I moved to autofocus cameras, the AF version of this lens was one of the first lenses that I bought.

    I have not yet used the MD 135mm lens on my NEX-6 that I bought last week, but I was so happy with it on my old MF film cameras that I definitely plan to try it on the NEX. I suspect that I may not use it as much on the NEX as I did on my film cameras, because the 1.5 crop factor will change the circumstances in which it is the optimum lens length, but I expect that it will almost always be in my camera bag unless I get a surprise when I try it out.

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    Btw, I keep searching on the internet for Revue lenses but no luck find anything.
    In the ebay the lens was registered to the database as

    M 42,Revue Telefoto 2,8/100mm

    M 42 seems to be the adapter and Revue the manufacturer... but heck if there is such manufacturer, or that he ever produced the 100mm lens.
     
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    Revue was a brand name used primarily in Germany but also in The Netherlands. They did not manufacture the lenses themselves but bought them from third-party suppliers. At the time they were cheap and generally good value.

    M42 is designating the type of lens mount, it's a screw-thread lens with a diameter of 42mm, fitting cameras like Asahi Pentax and Praktica (East German brand) screw-thread mount cameras. You'll need a NEX-M42 adapter to mount it on your NEX. I'm not an expert in Revue but it's not unlikely that they had a 100mm in their lens line-up. I wouldn't pay more than some 20-30 euros for it, for 60-70 euros you can get a Minolta 100/2.5 for instance.
     
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    Where do you find these prices?? Ebay.de all lenses are more than 90 euros.... what I am doing wrong here?

    Alex
     
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    Just to update with the current prices from ebay.de

    Rollei Rolleinar-MC 85mm f/2.8 : 120 euros + 7 euros transportation

    Minolta MD Tele Rokkor 100mm F/2.5: 119 euros + 0 euros transportation


    Nikon Serie E 100 mm 2,8: 139,90 euros + 7 euros transportation


    Minolta MD 135mm 1:2,8 : 95 euros + 4,90 euros transportation


    Canon FD 100mm F2.8 S.S.C.: 119 euros + 0 euros transportation

    Vivitar 100 mm F:2,8: 129 euros + 5,90 euros transportation


    these are all lenses at good condition with no scratches or moisture. There are lenses with such problems (which I do not want to buy and cost like 20 euros less)....

    Why are so expensive?
    Alex
     
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    Supply and demand. Before mirrorless cameras, these lenses were relatively inexpensive. Once mirrorless hit the market all those old lenses came out of the closet once people figured out they would sell for more than peanuts.
     
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    I was referring to local prices I see on a Dutch classified advertising site. A month ago I bought a 100mm there in a set for € 70 and after reselling what I didn't want it netted to € 45, I think. Buy-it-now prices on eBay vary in general from a bit pricey to ridiculously expensive; I almost always wait for an auction with a reasonable starting price. If you want to get a good idea of actual market prices, you should look at completed auctions, the ones where the item has actually been sold. The macro 100mm lenses tend to go for well over € 100 there, but those are not the ones you should look for if you want a portrait lens: too slow and needlessly expensive. I didn't see any completed auctions for the Minolta 100/2.5.

    I'm talking about Minolta here because that's what I know about best, but the same holds generally for other premium brand 100/105mm lenses like those of Canon, Nikon, Konica, Pentax/Takumar, Olympus etc, maybe with somewhat different prices.
     
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    I'd look for an OM 100/2.8. Tiny, lovely and wonderful IQ and character. They sell for around 100€.
    I did have the FL 85/1.8 which is a nice lens but big and heavy. The OM 100/2.8 is a pretty special lens.
     
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    I'd look for an OM 100/2.8. Tiny, lovely and wonderful IQ and character. They sell for around 100€.
    I did have the FL 85/1.8 which is a nice lens but big and heavy. The OM 100/2.8 is a pretty special lens.
     
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    alaios, on ebay, you can use completed transaction prices as the going rate. But you don't want to use the "Buy It Now" price.
    On keh.com, there's BGN Nikon Series E 100mm/2.8 for $76, BGN 105mm/2.5 for $94.
    After the 50s, the most common ones are 28mm and 135mm (they are usually very good). Unfortunately 85 - 105mm are more expensive. I'd say, take the 1.5x crop factor into consideration, indoor try start with an upper 50s, outdoor, 28mm and 135mm are good choices.
     
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    I kept looking on the internet for lenses to buy. One think that bothers me is that you can not find easily reviews,
    find specs of a lens (like dimensions, weight) so to make a decision.

    I hate it how the game is
    Alex
     
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    Yeah, it's kind of difficult. Some of us here consider using legacy glass as a part of their hobby, but it's not everybody's cup of tea. It takes time before you can form an opinion about a particular lens and you also have to be prepared for the occasional disappointment, where a lens doesn't perform like you expected, you simply don't like it or there's a problem with it that the seller didn't mention.

    The only reason you might want to enter the game despite hating it, is the generally low price of an old lens. You might want to stick to the current native lenses for the NEX system, you run a fair chance of getting frustrated otherwise.
     
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    Sound advice Ad. I know I tend to go "full speed ahead" with new-to-me technology and need to force myself to take a step back, take a deep breath and then proceed in a rational manner.

    Sometimes it even works. ;)
     
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    Thanks all for the answers.
    I am thinking to go for a
    Revue für Pentax 135mm 1:2,8 that I found at a very nice price.

    Are these adapters from Revue to nex though?

    Alex
     
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    Hi I was just wondering what are other typical sizes are there?
    I have been looking for 85 lenses but the prices are quite high for my taste. Are there any lenses like 65 or 75 that I can also look for?

    Regards
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    You've already found the Jupiter-9, there are several other rangefinder 90s that you can find fairly inexpensively. In slr lenses if you can live with f/2.8 (f/2.0 and f/1.4 are very spendy) there are several 85/2.8 lenses available. There are even more 28-85 or 35-85 slr lense you can pick up very inexpensively.

    Just search ebay for "85mm 2.8" or "85mm 3.5" and wade through the offerings. Have fun, and Good Luck!
     
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